ijtihad_alkitab ([info]ijtihad_alkitab) wrote,

The FBI stole $20 from me this week

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My dream of giving a marriage gift of faith and politics may never be.

I wanted to mount a $20 Ron Paul Silver Liberty and a $1000 Gold Dinar in acrylic to give as a marriage gift. Firstly, because giving gold and silver is sunnah. Abandoning the Sunnah of gold and silver currency is turning the world economy into a system of inflation and usery that only funnels money into the hands of bankers and bureaucrats at the expense of an exploited lower-middle class who can’t even see their wealth being stolen. But also I feel giving a marriage gift in precious metals would encourage my spouse to save the money, rather than spending it frivolously, especially since precious metals appreciate in value over time. On a more personal level, I felt like a gift like this symbolized the gift of my heart, which is shaped by my faith and my politics.

But thanks to the Federal Government I’ll probably never be able to give this as a gift. On Wednesday, November 14th the headquarters and mint of the Liberty Dollar was raided by the FBI who seized EVERYTHING. The Computers, the records, the money, the silver, the gold, everything. What the Feds perhaps did not consider is that the precious metals they seized were not the property of Liberty Dollar, but the property of hundreds of thousands of Liberty Associates… myself included. I placed my order for my $20 Ron Paul Silver Liberty on November 8th. The owner, Bernard Von Nothaus, is filing a class action lawsuit for the return of his stolen property, and thousands of people, myself included, are joining him. Their website, www.libertydollar.org, has ceased principle operations and has become a hub for news and updates regarding the lawsuit, including collections for the Liberty Dollar Legal Defense Fund (and the contact information for the federal bureaucrats involved).

After 10 years of legitimate business, there are an estimated $20 Million Liberty Dollars in circulation today. If we are not free to exchange good and services for a weight in gold and silver commensurate to their value in a private transaction than indeed American currency is backed by bullets, by the force of government, and the threat of unjust prosecution.

This is a vulgar and unprovoked attack on liberty in America, on the right of a free people to engage in voluntary trade and barter in an honest currency, as the constitution promises. “No State shall… coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.” (Article I, Section 10) And perhaps more importantly, and assault on the fourth Amendment to the Bill of Rights, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."





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[info]project_aramaki

November 18 2007, 05:37:34 UTC 4 years ago

Salaam. Hope you get your silver in the end, or at least your money back. Your country seems to be going through strange times.

[info]margots_coat

November 18 2007, 06:37:07 UTC 4 years ago

I didn't realize a gift of gold and silver was sunnah, but it makes sense to have both.

And that's awful for you! I'm sorry! Why would they do something like that? Or do they even need a reason now?

[info]ijtihad_alkitab

November 18 2007, 10:44:36 UTC 4 years ago

The Sunnah is that a Dinar is 4.25g of 22k gold and a Dirham is 3g of pure silver. If a marriage gift was money, which I believe it usually was, it was in gold and silver.

I've been looking into it... and I'm going to get a little conspiracy nut here... but check it out.

Liberty Dollar announced that $5 from each $20 Ron Paul Silver Liberty was going to the Ron Paul Campaign. The Feds raided the place the day after the Ron Paul coins were delivered from the mint. Liberty Dollar has been in business for 10 years, and they have a statement from the US Treasury saying their product is legal to sell, although not legal tender. It is a barter currency... Further, Liberty Dollar is not the only company in the US that mints gold and silver alternative currencies. They do however have strong Libertarian leanings, like Paul, and advocate the abolishment of the Federal Reserve (which is neither Federal, nor a Reserve).

I think they were specifically targeted for political reasons, perhaps to hurt the Paul Campaign, perhaps not. So no... they don't need a reason. They're just a band of thugs that doesn't like competition. In any event, it's only further galvanized the Ron Paul supporters, myself included.

[info]margots_coat

November 19 2007, 09:22:25 UTC 4 years ago

I don't know anything about Ron Paul (not keeping up with the elections right now), but when I can I usually vote Libertarian. I don't like all of their ideals but they are growing fast and I think they make a good candidate for a third party to sort of off-set the other two. I'd hate for them to be in power, but as a third party to keep the agendas of the Dems and Republicans from getting too crazy, I support them.

[info]ijtihad_alkitab

November 21 2007, 17:04:37 UTC 4 years ago

I'd look into it soon if you're politically minded. Primary politics are different from election politics, and the deadline is approaching to get Paul in the general election. Check out this site to find out when your primary closes, and when your party registration closes.

http://www.primarilypaul.com/ron-paul-in-the-primaries/

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